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Gabe Howard  &  Vincent M. Wales 


Oct 26, 2017

In this episode of the Psych Central Show, hosts Gabe Howard and Vincent M. Wales welcome guest Brent Williams, author of Out of the Woods, a graphic novel that tells the story of his battle with depression. Williams, a human rights attorney in New Zealand, “hit a wall” that derailed his life. It took years for him to understand that depression was the cause and what he needed to do about it. He speaks of how journaling was a great help to him in the recovery process and how it led to the idea of doing a graphic novel. He also speaks of how his battle with cancer was “a breeze” compared to fighting depression.



[3:25]               Hitting the wall.

[4:02]               Why it took years to understand that it was depression that was ruining his life.

[9:01]               How journaling helped in his recovery from depression.

[13:43]             Brent talks about the graphic novel process.

[16:27]             Cancer was “a breeze” compared to depression.